Mayhems Aurora Coolant fiasco (from start to finish)

[brechan69]

Just reading through some forums now; so far, it seems that the pastel white will react with certain types of Tygon tubing (or pretty much any tubing that contains plasticizers), one fellow's clear tubing turned mint green after a brief time using Mayhems White Pastel coolant...will get back with more updates after work this afternoon

[bungwirez]

and you know. I took my lead on Mayhem from TTL.
don't want to bash the guy because he's always spot on about his referrals.

what I guess it comes down to is "showcase".
like, do you want you rig to look sick for some photo ops
then drain and add something "functional" for longevity.

I remember posting video on our Facebook by Australian modder who got Aurora coagulated in a week as well, but nobody believe me.

....perhaps you could amend your product page with a little warning.

[scaccima]

How about the dyes from Feser? Has anyone had any issues with Feser dyes?

Reading this thread has totally turned me off of Mayhems and their products. I would never give my hard earned money to a company that I think deliberately misleads their customers. If you are going to produce a coolant for "showcase" or "display" purposes, that fine, just tell people that's what its for.

@ brechan69 - have you been able to flush your system yet?

[brechan69]

How about the dyes from Feser? Has anyone had any issues with Feser dyes?

Reading this thread has totally turned me off of Mayhems and their products. I would never give my hard earned money to a company that I think deliberately misleads their customers. If you are going to produce a coolant for "showcase" or "display" purposes, that fine, just tell people that's what its for.

@ brechan69 - have you been able to flush your system yet?

I found a couple of threads on the subject of Feser dyes (coolants), but haven't had the time to read through 14+ pages of replies. One complainant claims that the Feser dyes (within the Feser coolant) broke down and clogged his system (mainly the waterblocks); it seems he had been using Primoflex tubing (which has its own biocides bonded to the tubing itself), which in turn created an adverse reaction to the Feser coolant and caused the dyes within the coolant to separate.
Hopefully, I'm not breaking too many forum rules posting the links, but I think scaccima has raised a pertinent question http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...T-want/page14& and the start of the same thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...TZ-do-NOT-want
Another theory is that the OP got a bad batch of Feser coolant.

The only other thread I found (on page 1 of Google Search) was a comparison of Mahems UV green dye and Feser 1 UV green dye, here's a quote from that thread (from the original poster):

" Final thoughts: I was going into this test thinking that Mayhems would win me over. Unfortunately, imho, it was not as exciting as the Feser under uv light. The investment into uv setups should be to bring out an excellent color reaction when the uv light goes on. I felt that Feser did a much better job even if the pics can make it a bit hard to see that. Under uv light, the luminosity of the Feser stood out so much that it hampers with my ok camera. "
And the link http://www.overclock.net/t/1142513/m...ms-colors-dyes

Secondly; no, I haven't had the chance to drain/ flush/ refill my loop. To be honest; it takes a lot of work to do this (as we all know), and after just getting things put back together, the thought of tearing it all down again makes me tired just thinking about it.
But with there being nothing on TV (except reruns), and emails tend to slow down over the weekend; with me back to working my 1am - 9:30am shifts at Sobeys, I might have some energy to do just that.

[scaccima]

I found a couple of threads on the subject of Feser dyes (coolants), but haven't had the time to read through 14+ pages of replies. One complainant claims that the Feser dyes (within the Feser coolant) broke down and clogged his system (mainly the waterblocks); it seems he had been using Primoflex tubing (which has its own biocides bonded to the tubing itself), which in turn created an adverse reaction to the Feser coolant and caused the dyes within the coolant to separate.
Hopefully, I'm not breaking too many forum rules posting the links, but I think scaccima has raised a pertinent question http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...T-want/page14& and the start of the same thread http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...TZ-do-NOT-want
Another theory is that the OP got a bad batch of Feser coolant.

The only other thread I found (on page 1 of Google Search) was a comparison of Mahems UV green dye and Feser 1 UV green dye, here's a quote from that thread (from the original poster):

" Final thoughts: I was going into this test thinking that Mayhems would win me over. Unfortunately, imho, it was not as exciting as the Feser under uv light. The investment into uv setups should be to bring out an excellent color reaction when the uv light goes on. I felt that Feser did a much better job even if the pics can make it a bit hard to see that. Under uv light, the luminosity of the Feser stood out so much that it hampers with my ok camera. "
And the link http://www.overclock.net/t/1142513/m...ms-colors-dyes

Secondly; no, I haven't had the chance to drain/ flush/ refill my loop. To be honest; it takes a lot of work to do this (as we all know), and after just getting things put back together, the thought of tearing it all down again makes me tired just thinking about it.
But with there being nothing on TV (except reruns), and emails tend to slow down over the weekend; with me back to working my 1am - 9:30am shifts at Sobeys, I might have some energy to do just that.

I think I will forever stick with plain distilled water and dazmode protector. For the cost of the average bottle of pre-mixed coolant, you could purchase enough distilled water to last a couple of years + it has no expiry date!

I hope you're able to muster the energy to get your system back up and running just so you can finally put this nightmare behind you. Looking forward to new pics too!!

[brechan69]

and you know. I took my lead on Mayhem from TTL.
don't want to bash the guy because he's always spot on about his referrals...

Considering Tom Logan has been getting samples of Mayhems products for quite some time now (and readily uses it in all his builds), Mayhems didn't have very many nice things to say about the guy (quote from Mayhems on June 18 - Facebook page) " Tiny toms Site is rubbish as he deletes all the relevant info out of peoples posts and only lets you keep them if you pay for his reviews and stuff .. Dont be duped by OC3D Its a 100^% Bias review site. "

I'm inclined to agree with you bungwirez; I have watched many of Tom's reviews on his YouTube channel, I especially like how he will review not only high end (high priced) cases, but cases the rest of us can afford. I also appreciate it when he'll go the extra mile to show folks out there that if it's at all possible to water cool a certain case (e.g. Corsair Carbide 600T), he find a way.

What I find funny about Mayhems statement; is that the thread that had 300+ replies about their "New Aurora Coolant" is overcock3d.net's own forum...didn't see any bashing throughout the entire thread.

For those that don't know about Tom Logans YouTube channel here's his link http://www.youtube.com/user/TimeToLiveCustoms

[bungwirez]

haha. no matter who you are or where you hide out online, there is always politics and haters.

[brechan69]

Mayhems Aurora Coolant Saga (Part 2)

So the saga continues with this coolant (?)......

The following pics are of the (multiple) flushes I had to do to get rid of this coolant out of my system; and wash out all of the fittings, the reservoir, and the pump as well.

I'll have to do a few posts as there are 10 photos in total; all I have to say about this stuff, is if you're still wanting to use this in your loop (and want to change out for something else down the road), be prepared to do a lot of work to get rid of it.

Photo #1: This is a shot of the 1st flush (using distilled water), note how it looks as though it's at full concentration.

Photo #2: Shot of the 2nd flush; though it's a wee bit lighter, there's still more in the loop.

Photo #3: This is after 3 flushes; It kind of reminded me of a nuclear oil slick, now all I have to do is find a container big enough to hold all of it.

Photo #4: Although a bit blurry; this pic shows that though all the coolant has now been flushed out of the system, there's still tons of the silver particulates throughout the distilled water.

Photo #5: This is a much better shot of the crap that's leftover (floating around in the 100% distilled water)...now I know I'm going to have to rip everything apart, and wash all the parts in hot soapy water.


More to come.....

[brechan69]

Mayhems Aurora Coolant Saga (Part 2) continued...

These are the rest of the pics I shot while tearing down the system (preparing it for refilling with Feser UV Blue coolant).

Photo #6: EK reservoir bottom - This was shot after washing (but prior to removing the anti-cyclonic thingy), note how the silver particulates stick to every little bit.

Photo #7: EK reservoir top - This s**t stuck even to the top of the reservoir.

Photo #8: EK reservoir tube - This coolant even managed to get into the threads of the reservoir tube; all of the fittings, everywhere!!!

Photo #9: EK pump top - Silver particulates stuck to the insides of the top of the pump, the pump O-ring, the sides of the pump inside...it took quite a while to rid my system of this coolant (?).

Photo # 10: EK reservoir bottom - After taking out the anti-cyclonic thingy; the particulates were still stuck to the underside of the thingy itself, and to the bottom of the reservoir. There's a bit of soapy water in the bottom (of the pic), mixed with more of the particulates.

[DazMode]

I would just connect loop to tap water and run for 10 min hot, then flash with distilled. But I'm sure there would be still a lot of stuff left in threads and etc.

It is weird that on pictures it looks like Aurora effect is still there, but you was saying it has gone. Do you think that you may had system clogged with very little flow? Somebody told me that Aurora woks better with high pressure pumps like DDC.

[brechan69]

I would just connect loop to tap water and run for 10 min hot, then flash with distilled. But I'm sure there would be still a lot of stuff left in threads and etc.

It is weird that on pictures it looks like Aurora effect is still there, but you was saying it has gone. Do you think that you may had system clogged with very little flow? Somebody told me that Aurora woks better with high pressure pumps like DDC.

Agreed Daz; the Aurora effect stayed inside the loop (I could have kept trying to flush with distilled water forever), until I tore it all down and washed each bit by hand.

The pump I've been using for more than a year now; is the EK DCP 4.0 High Performance pump http://www.dazmode.com/store/index.p...roducts_id=382
I've never had a problem with it now being able to pump the coolant through the loop (at quite a clip from what I saw with the Aurora coolant in the beginning).

I had to wash/ rinse all the fittings, tubes, etc. , the components (e.g. reservoir, pump) had to rinse more than once; but once this was done, all was good. When I was doing the leak test; the flow was going pretty fast, no signs of the Aurora was noticed.

But I must add; that flushing a system of previous coolant is usually good enough, but not with this stuff. The only way to get rid of it completely, is to tear down the loop; wash, rinse (repeat if necessary), then inspect each component with a microscope to make sure the particulates are completely gone.

[brechan69]

Mayhems Aurora Coolant fiasco

Decided it would be in everyone's best interest if I posted the updates regarding Mayhems Aurora Nebula Blue Coolant here (instead of in my Sabertooth Switch upgrade log); this will keep my build log on topic, and also aid those that are interested in reading the entire mishap (+ updates from members on the subject).

brechan69

[Neo182]

This is just scary. I like the looks of this 'coolant' if you want to call it that. But in my mind and from what you have said and i have heard this will not last very long and is more a pain in the a** to maintain than anything else.
Live and learn i guess.

[mr. biggums]

How about the dyes from Feser? Has anyone had any issues with Feser dyes?

Reading this thread has totally turned me off of Mayhems and their products. I would never give my hard earned money to a company that I think deliberately misleads their customers. If you are going to produce a coolant for "showcase" or "display" purposes, that fine, just tell people that's what its for.

@ brechan69 - have you been able to flush your system yet?

I've used the feser Active blue uv dye (blue dye with uv) stained my copper blocks pretty pad and the tubing, took a lot of lemon juice and scrubbing with a toothbrush to get off. Now i won't say that will always happen i may have used to much for the loop since it wasn't exactly easy to put into my loop when i was using it, but it did have a really nice deep color to it only reason i used it for so long.

@ brechan69 I've had the same issues as you brechan, build up in my bitspower tube res, impossible to rinse the stuff out without physically taking it all apart and cleaning. Ultimately though I only see this fluid as a showcase fluid not something i would use 24/7 it is even stated in the mayhems wiki.
Mayhem himself though isn't such a bad guy from what i've seen of him over at ocn hes recently been doing a lot of work towards plastizer problems with tubing testing various tubes with the equipment he has and making it available to everyone there, link to his testing LINK.

[brechan69]

I agree with you mr.biggums about all the info being on their wiki; but nowhere on overclock.net forums, nor on the bottle itself, does it say that this stuff is for "show pieces" only, and I guess that's the whole irratating thing about this mess.

As scaccima put it (on page 1) " Can you imagine if companies like Advil or Tylenol where to be as vague as Mayhems? "; all companies, regardless of what product they are (mass) producing, are responsible for putting as much information as physically possible on the product container.

The review over at device unknown is (as previously stated) very in depth and informative; but as you can see, they didn't leave it in their system for very long. Also; unless specifically looking for a wiki on Mayhems site, you'll probably just head to the product page itself http://www.mayhems.co.uk/front/aurora-1.html Show me where in this link it says that this is a "special" coolant and "not for home use".