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  • First build - Fractal Design Define R4

    So like many first time water cooling hobbyists, I've built computers for a very long time and felt it was time to watercool my rig. In fact, I got the idea in my head after buying a case with a window. Had I been forward thinking about this, I would've bought a bigger case!

    Hardware:
    - Fractal Design Define R4
    - i7 2600k / Asus p8z68 Pro-Gen 3 / Corsair Vengeance Ram
    - 2 SSDs / 1 WD Black Caviar / Lampotron FC
    - EVGA gtx 680

    Watercooling Hardware

    - XSPC Raystorm CPU block
    - Heatkiller 680gtx Full cover block w/ backplate
    - Swiftech micro res
    - D5 vario w/ Bitspower acrylic pump top
    - XSPC 240 Rad
    - XSPC 280 Rad
    - Feser 4-packs fittings (multiple) and 45 angle
    - Bitspower angled fittings and other fittings
    - Darkside cables with Cobra Orange UV.
    - Noiseblockers black silent pro pk-3 140mm x2 / GT AP-15 x2 / Yate Loon 120 UV Blue LED x1
    - 3/5-5/8 UV blue tube
    - two packages of UV cold cathodes.

    Purchased all of my water cooling parts (except the switftech res, noiseblockers and GTs from Dazmode) - multiple orders, multiple mistakes.

    I followed the MNPC guide on modding the Define R4 so that it fits a 280 rad at the front and offset the 240 rad up top using the honeycomb holes so that it would clear my Ram. My goal with this build was to make something that I found aesthetically pleasing - that meant straight tube runs. This was an expensive goal (more on this later)

    Both rads are set as intake and only the back fan is outtake. This has resulted in great CPU / GPU temps, but horrible case temperatures. I'm debating whether to switch the GT's at the top to outtakes.

    Pictures




    So there she be in all her glory. The cobra orange UV sleeving doesn't look as nice in the pic as it does sitting next to it. It really jumps out. In fact, my camera (my phone) doesn't really capture UV lighting that well. I took a flourescent highlighter and drew on the white PCI-E socket and the asus logo to add more of the highlight colour.

    More pics:

    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ps87489d38.jpg
    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psdcafa9a8.jpg
    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psb5f773e5.jpg
    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psdbb4a149.jpg

    This was what I started with before beginning my water cooling obsession:

    http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...psfccbcb45.jpg



    Things I learned:

    Maybe these things will help other first time builders.

    1. Medium cases suck for water cooling. I wish I had more room.

    2. Putting the drain on the output of the pump only drains one side of the loop. I need a another method to drain the res (will address when I have to do maintenance).

    3. Had to use needlenose pliers to pry and expand the tube before I could get it on the barb part of the fitting. The youtube vids makle it look so easy, but it was not!

    4. Sleeving sucks! It looks great though... lI guess it can't all be fun and games. Sleeving isn't difficult necessarily, it's just time consuming. Patience is not just a virtue for this task, but required.

    5. You can never have too many rads. At first, based on Daz's youtube vid, I was only going to use one 240 since his youtube vid recommended 120 per block. However, since my temperatures fluctuate very little for my processor with a 240 and 280, I'm beginning to think that getting more rads is worth the extra $100 or so in rad/fittings/tube.

    6. Fittings are expensive! Fittings are budget-busters, whatever you plan for, you end up needing more fittings. Of course, my build used a bunch of fittings to just avoid bends in the tube, but still... I hate the actual arcs and loops and think the no-bend setup looks cleaner.

    7. Research more! I wasted about $30-40 on parts/pieces I probably won't use in this computer. Luckily I have another computer that I will get around to water cooling, but due to lack of planning, measuring and reading resulted in some wasted money.

    8. Really not sure if I should've gone for a DDC pump or bay res with pump. Since the Define R4 only has 2 5.25 bays, I opted against the bay res / pump combo. edit: didn't finish this thought, the d5 is pretty big and positioning inside the define r4 was problamatic since it was what defined how the rest of my loop would be routed.

    9. The Swiftech Micro Res is great. I had the option of mounting it in 3-4 places in my case. Although I really wanted a tube res (because they look badass), this micro res was very friendly for a small case. I had planned on screwing it into a PCI cover on the define R4 which is isolated from the MB, or drilling some holes and hanging it from the 5.25 bays. Really a versatile res.

    10. I had no syringe or anything, so I bought a new baster (the thing you baste turkey with) and just, errm, basted the res with daz protector + distilled water.

    I think the two biggest lessons to take away from this little adventure is that 1, Get a big case. It makes life much easier giving you much more options in mounting stuff. 2, your budget is a best guess for your first go around. I learned a lot about what planning is needed, I have an idea on measurements how things fit together so will not need to order so many times. I paid 4x shipping when I probably should've only paid 2x shipping due to my lack of planning and experience.

    Oh yeah, that heatkiller 680 full block is a beast. Dropped 15C on temps from the HSF that it came with and looks amazing.



    Anyway, thanks for everything. I figured I'd share my build since I bought all my stuff here and read/learned a lot from these forums and other posters.
    Last edited by fuji; 12-29-2012, 09:06 PM.

  • #2
    Hey Fuji. nice build. thanks for sharing.

    where you from buddy?
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    • #3
      very nice specially for a first time build. thanks for sharing you're experience and welcome.
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      • #4
        Looks awesome! Thanks for posting. Keep us updated on your other computer please!
        Mario

        RIG 1: MSI P55-GD65 mobo | CORE i7 870 | 16GB RAM | OCZ 240GB SSD | WD 1TB HD | CORSAIR H70 | 2x EVGA GTX 560Ti 448 FTW SLI | EK FULL GPU WATER BLOCKS | XSPC DUAL BAYRES WITH D5 VARIO PUMP | XFX PRO1050 BLACK EDITION PSU | HAF 932

        RIG 2: EVGA P55 V mobo | CORE i5 760 | 8GB RAM | WD 500GB HD | CORSAIR H60 | 2x EVGA GTX 460 FTW SLI | EK FULL GPU WATER BLOCKS | DDC PUMP WITH XSPC ACRYLIC RES TOP | CORSAIR HX 850 PSU | HAF 912

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        • #5
          Welcome to the addiction.
          Great looking rig you got yourself there.
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          • #6
            Thanks everyone.

            Originally posted by bungwirez View Post
            Hey Fuji. nice build. thanks for sharing.

            where you from buddy?
            I live in Toronto.

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            • #7
              Nice build Fuji
              Welcome to the Buildlogs

              "4. Sleeving sucks! It looks great though... I guess it can't all be fun and games. Sleeving isn't difficult necessarily, it's just time consuming. Patience is not just a virtue for this task, but required."

              Well put Fuji

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              • #8
                Nice build! If you only wasted $40, consider yourself lucky.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bartacus View Post
                  Nice build! If you only wasted $40, consider yourself lucky.
                  oh he is soooooo correct on this I'm over $300 wasted on my 1st build but I'm my worse critic

                  Love the work and only hope my virgin water build is as successful!!
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                  • #10
                    Great write up.

                    On Radiator q-ty, yes you can improve cooling-noise ratio with extra rads. Of cause it has its limits too. I usually double from my own recommendation, but I do this for the sake silence.

                    I also agree that $40 wasted is nothing. I consider myself happy if I waste that little.
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                    • #11
                      very nice build fuji, straight runs indeed they are very neat. and as always respect for using a small case i wasnt able to do it and respect anyone who does a neat job of it..
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                      • #12
                        Wow, I was kicking myself for the money spent thinking I must've made too many noob mistakes. It seems however, it wasn't too bad. I guess I'm lucky that all the big ticket items worked out well.



                        Thanks all for the comments.

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                        • #13
                          I never look at it as "money wasted", especially if you have another computer lying around. What I didn't use on one computer I saved for the second.
                          Mario

                          RIG 1: MSI P55-GD65 mobo | CORE i7 870 | 16GB RAM | OCZ 240GB SSD | WD 1TB HD | CORSAIR H70 | 2x EVGA GTX 560Ti 448 FTW SLI | EK FULL GPU WATER BLOCKS | XSPC DUAL BAYRES WITH D5 VARIO PUMP | XFX PRO1050 BLACK EDITION PSU | HAF 932

                          RIG 2: EVGA P55 V mobo | CORE i5 760 | 8GB RAM | WD 500GB HD | CORSAIR H60 | 2x EVGA GTX 460 FTW SLI | EK FULL GPU WATER BLOCKS | DDC PUMP WITH XSPC ACRYLIC RES TOP | CORSAIR HX 850 PSU | HAF 912

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                          • #14
                            I agree, it not completely waste, just unnecessary surplus for a particular build
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                            • #15
                              to the deep end of PC cooling and DazMode Forums fuji !!


                              " 3. Had to use needlenose pliers to pry and expand the tube before I could get it on the barb part of the fitting. The youtube vids make it look so easy, but it was not! "

                              I found with my 1st attempt at water cooling; that if you have a pot of hot water nearby, dip your tube ends into it 1st, then the tubing will slip onto the barbs much easier

                              Consider yourself lucky to have gone over budget by only $40; I think I went over budget by about $300, when I factored in tools, and other odds and ends.

                              Great looking build; and, isn't it fun building a water cooled PC in an apartment
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