Orange GT project

[Hooded]

Dual and Triple pumps in serial will give you more head allowing you to push you fluid higher than you would be able to with just one pump. It doesn't do anything to improve flow rates from what I understand. They also add redundancy to your loop like Bungz mentioned above.

Here is a good page for a clear explanation and advantages of multiple pumps in both serial and parallel setups.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/pu...ial-d_636.html

[bungwirez]

Hooah Hoody Science!

Just don't do what I did and get two different pumps.
My gut tells me one of these pumps was working too hard to keep up with the other.

[scaccima]

You figure the pump with less amps would be the one to burn out...

[DazMode]

just made a new order today to start preparing for the new stuff, still planing the upgrades/stuff required to the build that will be needed to complete my vision. a question for the experience , is there a point where you have to many radiators, blocks ect... (aka restriction) where a dual pump setup is "required"?

You need extra punch when your flow drops below 1L/min, which is hard to achieve. I have about 4L/m in 6 blcoks system + radiator on single D5.

Also I've seen/read/heard somewhere that dual DDC top setups tend to be prone for one of the pumps to be burned.

[Hooded]

Do dual ddc pumps burn out in a parallel setups as well? It would seem to me that a parallel setup would not cause the same type of cavitation that would occur in a serial setup if the pumps were not properly insync.

[bungwirez]

You figure the pump with less amps would be the one to burn out...

If I recall ... the one that burned out was "behind" the lower amp one.
means it was prolly working overtime.

just like me ... trying to pay for the Mrs new stuff.
hah. yet another nearly-great analogy

@ Hoody: that would seem logical to me... but I've never tested it.

[gdesmo]

Do dual ddc pumps burn out in a parallel setups as well? It would seem to me that a parallel setup would not cause the same type of cavitation that would occur in a serial setup if the pumps were not properly insync.

No, pumps last a lot longer in parrallel. You are correct in assuming pumps in series burnout because of a mismatch in pressure, flow rate and cavitation or excess over rev of 2nd pump if it turns at a lower speed. It would be like overclocking 2nd pump without any more cooling, over rev causes more current draw which they are not designed for.

[MRDcanadian]

wow thanks everyone for the info. based on what daz said, i dont think i'l have to go that route since he as more stuff then i plan on having and not to confident i'll go dual loop, to expensive for the gain. Right now I am trying to make contact right now with a company see if they can make me a specific reservoir, the site said it was limited edition so i don't believe i'll be in luck but definitely worth the try if you take a look for yourself.


description
the 250mm Liquid Fusion X4 features a hand heat formed quad spiral core, with a high quality CNC milled and threaded housing. The reservoir features a unique waterfall effect where the coolant travels up the central core slowly bleeding through the walls of the spirals when the inlet is connected to the bottom cap. An internal UV CCFL bulb illuminates the spiral core giving off a tremendous glow sure to make it a centerpiece in any system. The reservoir does feature 4 ports, 2 lower side, 1 bottom and 1 top port. Each unit comes with 2 fill plugs, one for the top fill port and the other to plug whichever additional port is not being used. A pair of clear cast acrylic mounting rings are included with each reservoir.



another thing i know i will be faced with an issue. fan plugs i won't have enough right now for what i wish to do. looking at this "http://www.dazmode.com/store/product/bitspower_x-station_mini_power-extension_ii_female_version_orang/" but it doesn't say much about it and leaves a lot to desire. the PCI controller controls all fans plugged or only a few? do i need to plug all the power connector for all the fan connector to work? also looking at the image, most of the connectors are 3 pins for fans and my fans are pwm, they are so much close to another, i dont know if i will be able to plug them in (though i could maybe get away by spreading the location i plug them). i need a total of 10 connector to achieve what i wish. any input on that product or an alternative?

[Hooded]

Why use all pwm fans? Why use pwm fans at all? Seems an extra head ache to me?
Are you not getting a fan controller? Most 30 watt fan controllers will run 4 fans/channel so a 4 channel 30 watt fan controller can run up to 16 fans.

That res loks like major bling factor.

[bungwirez]

gotta agree with Hoody. I use nothing but the x-station as a goto power distribution as my fan controller.
set your fans up on a daisy chain, then plug one end to either 12/7/5V connector, based on what you can deal with for noise.

but bling is important too. each his own.

[Izerous]

No, pumps last a lot longer in parrallel. You are correct in assuming pumps in series burnout because of a mismatch in pressure, flow rate and cavitation or excess over rev of 2nd pump if it turns at a lower speed. It would be like overclocking 2nd pump without any more cooling, over rev causes more current draw which they are not designed for.

I don't remember who did it but the problem with parallel pumps (in the same loop) is you loose the redundancy. If one pump fails the other pump can actually circulate through the dead pump, this would be solved by a simple check valve but I have never seen one meant for computers.

[gdesmo]

You are correct in that assumption, water will take the path of least resistance just like electricity. They do not make check valves for computers but there are quite a few 1/4 npt ch valves that you could adapt fittings to. That being said, the main thing is not to mismatch your pumps in a series system.

[MRDcanadian]

ya well the dual pump would probably cost me 2 pumps as i don't like the idea of having two vario pump. to hard to tell with the dial if they are at the same place. anyway daz as more stuff in a loop that i will and seams to have no issues. for the fan well i have learned something thanks guys, the controller i have is 50w per channel. now i just need to figure out how to extend one wire to route them where they will need to go and find a wire that does 1 to 4 as that would be the most a channel would hold. could always try to make my own base on one wire that is pre bough

[MRDcanadian]

Why use all pwm fans? Why use pwm fans at all? Seems an extra head ache to me?
Are you not getting a fan controller? Most 30 watt fan controllers will run 4 fans/channel so a 4 channel 30 watt fan controller can run up to 16 fans.

That res loks like major bling factor.

the reason is that the cougar PWM fans as more CFM and better Air pressure as per there website. I can mod the connector and just hide the extra PMW wire within a sleeve.

http://www.cougar-world.com/us/produ...ortex_hdb.html
vs PWM
http://www.cougar-world.com/us/produ...ortex_pwm.html

[MRDcanadian]

alright got a shipment yesterday. got more cougar PWM fans and some magnetic filters to mount on the new case that is to arrive very soon (Little Devil V8 black orange) with a new list of stuff

EK-D5 X-TOP CSQ - Acetal
EK-MOSFET ASUS X79 - Acetal+EN (Nickel)
bitspower Case/Panel Mountable Fill / Drain Port - Pass Through Connector
bitspower 1/2"ID - 3/4"OD Rotary 90 Deg. Angled Compression Fitting -Black
bitspower 3-way Splitter, T Block Crossconnect Adapter - Black BP-MBTMB
and other little gadget

will need a quad rad but can't make my mind on one, i just wished there was a multiport in quad version to simplify the tubing routing. still waiting for the reservoir from Frozen Q. once that will be here it will be quite easier to figure out the tubing routing as i am not sure how i will mount the reservoir (mobo tray or HDD cage). I have a felling that the mosfet will be challenging with the tubing size i have.

will attempt to take descent pic of the current build prior to dissembling for the new case. i have to wait for daz to have more Mayhem gigabyte coolant prior anyway i didn't have enough for this one and i plan on more liquid with the rez and extra rad.

till then everyone